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4. At that particular moment-'I cannot say I saw my Lord Thanet, but I know that he and Mr. Brown were both fitting on the Solicitors' seat, within one of me.
2. Where was Mr. Fergusson at this time?
2. You were proceeding to state what passed after the fentence was pronounced ?
A. At the same moment that Mr. O'Connor put his leg over the bar, before I had recovered myself from the leaning position in which I fat, one of the Bow-street officers, I am not sure whether it was Rivett or Fugion, let his fost upon my back. "I immediately started up and drove the man off, and asked him what he meant.
2. How did you drive him off?
Q. Was there good room for him to get by, or was this a narrow place?
A. It was so narrow that it was impossible two people should pass without contrivance; a short struggle followed between the officers and myself, for there were feveral people who were presling behind, and I could not get out of the fear where I was without inaking that resistance.
Q. How did you get out at last ?
4. At laft I struggled a great while with my elbows to make room for myself; I got up, stepped upon the divifica between the Solicitors' and the Counsels' feats, and from thence to the table; I then turned round immediately, and I then saw the same man pressing upon my Lord Thanet, in the same way in which he had been pressing upon me.
Q. You said Lord Thanet and Mr. Gunter Browne were within one of you?
Q. Did you observe this inmediately upon your extricating yourself
A. The inftant I extricated myfelf I turned round and faw a man prefing upon Lord Tkonet, with this difference, that when I refifted him, I did not observe that he had any stick, but when I saw him with Lord Thanet he was striking Lord Thanet with a fiick, but what the stick was I cannot fat; Lord Thanet stood with a short stick in both his hands, dodging with his stick, and receiving the blows of the Bow.street 01 ficer upon that stick.
Q. Lord Thanet was guarding himfelf, with his hands up, from Rivett's blows ? A. Exactly fo.
You do not know which officer it was? A. I am not certain, I think it was Rivett. & Before this happened, Rivett had had a Itruggle with him?
A. I had had a struggle with Rivett in the firft instance ; and I thould state, that during that struggle Mr. O'Connor, who had endeavoured to get away, had effected his escape from the gaoler ; and 'the consequence was, that the people pressed forward from the opposite end of the bench, to prevent Mr. O'Connor from effecting his escape ; by which means every person who sat in that narrow seat, was placed, if I may fay so, between two fires, for the Bow-street officers were pressing up from one side, and the crowd were pressing up from the other side.
2. You say, as soon as you got from Rivett, you saw him infantly engaged in this way with Lord Thanet
Q. Could Rivett, in the interval between the fruggle with you and the Aruggle you instantly saw him have with Lord Thanet, have got over to the Counfels' table and had a conteft with a man who had a flick, and taken that stick from him?
A. Imposible; I think jo at least, the interval was no longer than that which elapsed from my getting from the feat to the divifion, and from thence to the table.
Q. Which you did as expeditiously as possible ?
Q. When you say impossible, I need not ask you whether you saw the thing happen?
A. Certainly not.
A. I had. Very shortly after I got upon the table, a man took up one of the swords, and drew it, and finurished it about over the heads of the people ; very shortly afterwards I saw this sword coming in a direction immediately to my own head ; I avoided the blow by springing off the table into the passage leading into the street.
Q. Did you at any time fee Lord Thanet strike this officer, let him be whom he
A. I never saw Lord Thanet in ảny situation but aéting upon the defensive.
Q. If Lord Thanet had struck the officer, do you think you must have seen it?
A. Certainly, during the time I had my eyes upon him.
Q. I think you told me you saw the officer first priffing by Lord Thanet, and then striking bim?
2 Do you remember Lord Romney coming down from the Bench ?
A. Perfectly well.
Q. Do you recollect, upon Lord Romney's saying the prifoner was discharged, or acquitted, any person making an ob. servation to him?
A. I remember there was an altercation between Lord Romney and myself, in consequence of his faying that the prisoners were not acquitted.
2. There was a misapprehenfion between the words "ac. quitted and discharged ?
A. I apprehend so. Q: However, you were the person that had the conversation with him?
Cross-examined by Mr. Attorney-General,
2. You insisted that they were acquitted, and Lord Romney insisted that they were not acquitted ?
d. Exactly fo.
Yury. I wish to ask whether you left the Court during the riot ?
A. No, I did not ; I jumped off the table in consequence of a blow that I saw coming at my head, and I shortly after re. turned to the table again,
2. Did you observe Lord Thanet leave the Solicitors' box? A. No, I did not.
Q. Do you know whether he did, or not, leave the Solicitors' box ?
A. I cannot say, for the riot lafted a very sort time after I had left the table,
Lord Kenyon. Was the blow aimed at your head?
4. By no means ; it appeared to me that all the blows struck by that sword were ftruck by a man that did not know what he was about.
Q: Were there any wounds ?
Mr. Bainbridge sworn, examined by Mr. Bef,
2. In what part of the Court did you fit at the time of the riot? A. When the Jury returned, I left my place at the table, and
went to the place where the Solicitors of the defendants sat, to speak to Mr. Fergusson.
Q. Did you observe Mr. Ferguson during this time?
recollect the Bow-street officers coming in ? A. I remember observing the Bow-street officers standing on the right hand side of the dock.
2. Do you remember seeing those Bow-street officers at the time the Jury pronounced their verdiet ?
A. I did.
Mr. O'Connor, as the impression struck me.
Q. Do you recollect them after the sentence was pronounced ?
the trial known to be Rivett, put his knee upon the bench that came over into the Solicitors' seat, and get over, and press di. rectly forward.
2. You say he pressed forward : in what direction ?
4. He presied directly on to the bench where the Solicitors for the Defendants had sat, and the Counsel for the Defendants had fat.
Q. Where was Lord Thanet at this time?
A. My Lord Thanet was on the right hand of me, and in the place where the Solicitor for Mr. O'Connor had fat, I believe most part of the day:
Q. Where was Mr. Ferguson tben?
Q. Was Mr. Ferguson at that time in the Solicitors' place, , or the place appropriated for the Counsel ?
A. Mr. Ferguffon was IN HIS OWN PLACE, and the place which he had kept the whole day.
see the Bow-street officers attempt to pass Lord Thanet ?
A. I saw the Bow-street officers attempt to pass Lord Thanet ; and Lord Thanet, upon being pressed upon, moved upwards, as if to prevent being overpowered or cruthed, and got upon his legs.
Q. Did Lord Thanet do any thing to obtrue this officer?
the people upon him was such, that, if he had not got up, he must have been totally knocked under the bench.
Q. At this time did you see whether Lord Thanet ftruck this Bow ftreet officer, or not?
A. I never observed Lord Thanet frike the Bow-ftreet officer, or any body else.
Q. From the situation in which you were at this time, if he had struck him, do you think you must have seen him?
A. Certainly I must.
Q. If Lord Thanet, at this time, had been taking an active part in the riot, must you have seen that also ?
A. I muft have objerved that too.
Q. Did Lord Thanet do any thing to aid the escape of Mr.
A. Nothing in the world, that I law.
A. I never saw Mr. Fergusson strike any body ; and, if he had struck any body, I think I maft have seen it.
Q. Did it appear to you that Mr. Fergvsfon encouraged Mr.
A. Not the least, quite the contrary:
Q. If Mr. Ferguson had at this time been brandishing a fick, do you think you must have seen it?
A. I muft certainly have seen it, from the situation I was in.
Q. During this time did Mr. Fergudjon continue in the same situation in which he was?
A. He continued in his fent till he was presed upon, and the whole was a scene of confusion.
Q. Did it then appear to you that Mr. Fergusson only left his feat in consequence of the pressure upon him?
4. That was the only cause, as it struck me. Q. Do you recollect fesing Rivett engaged with Lord Thanet?
A.. I do; he appeared to me to be striking him, and trying to beat him down ; in short, he was in the aft of offence, with his hand uplifted, as it appeared to me.
2. Do you recollect Mr. Fergusson saying or doing any thing at that time?
A. I remember Mr. Fergusson asking him to defift, and ask. ing him if he knew who he was striking. 2. Did he give any answer to that?
A. He, I think, made use of words to this effect : “ I neither know nor care." Upon which Mr. Fergusson said, “ That is Lord Thanet, I infift upon your not striking him.”