Mr. Justice Heath. How many muskets? A. I do not know the number. Mr. Lloyd. Were you in the house the first night of the riot? A. I was. Q. Do you know when the swivels were bought? A. They were a present to Master Walker, by Mr. Jackson; they were bought at Mr. Livesey's sale. Q. Do you know any occasion upon which those swivels were fired? A. I remember they were fired upon the anniversary of the repeal of the fustian tax. 2. At any other time? A. I was not present at any other time. Q. What is your business at Mr. Walker's, chiefly. Q. Is that up stairs, or below, in his warehouse? A. Up stairs. Mr. Justice Heath. Do you live in the house? A. I lived in the house five years. Mr. Lloyd. In what part of the warehouse is the foreign counting-house? A. It looks towards Salford, up two pair of stairs. societies met. Q. Have you ever had occasion to go into that room when they were met? A. I had frequent occasions to go up to Mr. Walker upon business? Q. Did you find the door either locked or fastened? A. Never. Q. Did they seem to be about secret business? A. Not at all. Q. Did you go in without interruption? A. Yes. Q. Have an evening? you had occasion to go in more than once in A. I may have gone two or three times, not finding Mr. Walker in the first time. Q. How near is that room to the room where to sit writing? A. Up another pair of stairs. l. Is part of that room, over the room that you was in? 4. It is. Q. Did you ever see any men exercising with arms when you went up? A. Never. Q. When you were writing, did you ever hear any arms clashing? A. Never. Q. Were there carpets upon the floor, or any thing of that kind, to prevent the sound? A. No. Q. I understand that you never saw any men exercising with arms? A. Never. Q. Do you know what is the height of that room? 4. I do not know." Q. Do you know whether it is such a room that a man could shoulder a firelock? A. I do not know; I never took particular notice. Q. Did you send word before you went in, or go in without giving notice? A. Without giving notice. Q. When you went in, did you hear any conversationdid you ever hear Mr. Walker damn the King? A. No. Q. Or talk of overturning the constitution? A. Never. Q. Did you hear any conversation of aiding and assisting the French? A. No. Q. You never heard any thing of the kind? A. No. Q. When you went in, did they seem instantly to cease their conversation, or to go on with it? A. They went on with the business they were about. Q. Whenever you went in, did you hear Mr. Walker, or any other person, say any thing to excite disturbance of the peace? A. Not at all. Q. Or exciting them to take up arms to aid the French? A. No, never. Q. Or for any other purpose? A. No, by no means, I never heard any thing of the kind. Q. Or to overthrow the constitution? A. No, M Mr. Mr. Edward Green. Cross-examined by Mr. Topping. Q. If I understand you, you have been several years with Mr. Walker? A. Yes, I have known Mr. Walker eleven years. Q. You was a person, therefore, perfectly well known as one of Mr. Walker's family? A. Yes. to say, Q. Can you take upon you how many people you have ever seen assembled at any one time? A. Very likely seventeen, eighteen, or twenty. Q. Will you take upon yourself to say, you have not seen to the number of fifty or sixty at a time? A. Upon the night of the riots there were a good many. Q. Can you take upon you to say, you have not seen to the number of fifty or sixty assembled? A. I will take upon me to swear I have not seen, what I conceive to be, such a number as that. Q. You don't mean to say you can form any accurate estimate of the number? A. No. Q. You was not a member of this society? A. I was not. Q. You never went up to this room, unless you had OC casion to speak to Mr. Walker, then you went, and he was called out to you? A. I always went in to him. Q. My friend has asked you as to having heard, or not, expressions used about the King; now can you take upon you to swear what they were doing, from what you heard? A. Their conversation seemed to turn upon the question of a reform in parliament. Q. Whether you mean to swear, that you knew or ever heard from any individual there, any particular expressions used at all, that you can relate to the Jury? A. I do not. Q. You was not a member of the society? A. No. Q. Your object in going there was not to learn what they were doing? A. No. Q. When you did go there, it was merely to speak to Mr. Walker about his own business as a merchant? A. Yes. Q. What size is the room in which this society was held? A, It is a long room. Q. And Q. And will hold a great number of people, will it not? Q. Is it the length, or half the length of this room? Q. Is there not another room upon the same floor; does all the attic story make only one room? A. There is another room. Q. There is another room upon the same floor, besides the room in which the society was held? A. Yes, there is. Q. You said you thought part of it was over the counting house where you are? A. Yes, part of it is over that room. Mr. Edward Green. Re-examined by Mr. Lloyd. Q. The reason why you think the warehouse is over the counting house is, that both rooms look into Salford? A. Yes both rooms come to the end of the building. 2. Was it any part of your business to see that all the fires were out in this warehouse, and to lock up at night? A. It is my general custom to go through the warehouse, and to lock it up. Q. Did you find any arms lying there, when you went through the rooms to lock all up? A. Never. Q. Did you go into this room generally? A. Yes, I did. Q. And you did not see any arms lying there? Mr. George Duckworth (sworn). Examined by Mr. Vaughan. Q. Are you acquainted with the house of Mr. Walker, at Manchester? A. I am. Q. You are also acquainted with the warehouse of that house, and the height of it? A. Yes, Mr. Walker took me through the house and warehouse a few days ago, to shew them to me; I had not seen the warehouse before, only occasionally when I went on business. Mr. Walker shewed me the different rooms of the warehouse upon every story. I measured the height of two stories, which appeared to be the highest, and the low est. est. The highest room, to the best of my recollection (for I did not expect to be examined here) was nine feet high between the beams, and eight feet six inches high under the beams. Mr. Law. You did not measure them? A. Yes, I did. Q. Did you make any minute? A. No. The lowest story was seven feet six inches high under the beams, and eight feet between the beams; I took a musket out of the room in which Mr. Walker had put the arms, and fixed the bayonet, to shoulder it: when I shouldered it, the point of the bayonet touched the ceil ing: if I had thrown it up to my shoulder in the manner they do in the manual exercise, the bayonet would have stuck into the ceiling; I could not poise it. This was the highest room in the warehouse. The rooms in the uppermost story are the highest. Mr. George Duckworth. Cross-examined by Mr. Law. Q. You had no idea of giving any account of this at Lancaster, when you made the measurement? A. No. I desired Mr. Walker to get some person to make the measurement. Q. Are you not the attorney for Mr. Walker? A. I am, but I did not examine the whole of the evidence. Mr. Seddon examined some of the witnesses. Q. You say you made no minute in writing of this ? A. I did not. Q. Where did you get the musket that you tried with? A. Out of the room where Mr. Walker had the small collection of arms, which he informed me were what he had at the time of the riots. 2. So you had a musket! A. Yes. Q. How many did you see in the armoury? A. About a dozen, I believe, of one sort or other. The arms were covered with dust. The room was full of dust. The arms were of different sorts. 2. There were twelve muskets? A. No, not twelve muskets, but different kinds of fire arms. Q. With bayonets all? A. There were some musketoons with spring bayonets. Mr. Walker. I have an inventory in my pocket, of the arms I had at the time of the riots; I have the arms now. |