4. I certainly should. Q. Do you know the height of the warehouse? A. I do not. Q. You know the gentlemen who came to Mr. Walker's; you know that clubs were held there? A. Yes. Q. I confine myself to the time during the holding of the clubs; you ever hear any noise then of arms? 4. Never. did Q. Did you ever see any exercising of men at those times, or at any other? A. Never. Martha Wilkinson, Cross-examined by Mr. Law. Q. In what room do you usually live? Q. Is the nursery higher or lower than the warehouse? A. From the nursery windows we can see into several rooms of the warehouse. Q. Is it higher or lower? A. It is higher than one part of the warehouse, and lower than another. Q. Is it as high as the upper room of the warehouse? A. It is not quite so high. Q. Will you say, that you can conveniently, from that room, see into the upper room of the warehouse? A. We can see into it. Q. Can you see from one end to the other of the warehouse, from the nursery? A. Yes, from one end to the other of the house. Q. The upper warehouse of all? A. Yes. upper ware Q. And was you every night, for forty nights together, when these persons were there, so watching their proceedings, that you could know if a person had put a musket to his shoulder? A. I was not constantly watching, but I have no doubt if there had been such a thing I should have known it? Q. Did you observe all that passed there? A. We frequently watched them. Q. What did they do when you watched them? Q. Talking? A. Yes. Q. You saw books, I take for granted? A. No, A. No, I did not. Q. You never saw any thing read? A. Never. Q. But if there had been Paine's book, or any other book read, you must have seen it? A. I did not see any book. Q. If they had been so employed, you must have seen that too? A. I cannot say. Q. Why could not you see a book held up, just as well as see a musket held up? A. I never did see à book read. Q. How many might there be in the room at a time? A. I cannot say the exact number. Q. You have seen Dunn there? A. No. Q. Were there twenty, thirty, forty, fifty there? Q. Do you think there were so many as forty or fifty? A. I do not know. Q. Had you never the curiosity to count them when there was a good number? A. Never. Q. But if there had been books, you think you must have seen them, and you never saw any read? A. I never saw any book read. Martha Wilkinson. Re-examined by Mr. Serjeant Cockell. Q. From this nursery, in which you frequently were in the evenings, if there had been men exercising, you must have seen them? A. Yes. Q. What sort of windows are the warehouse windows? A. Nearly the length of the warehouse. Francis Roberts (sworn). Examined by Mr. Chambre. Q. You are a servant to Mr. Walker? A. Yes. Q. How long have you lived with him? A. I came to live with Mr. Walker in the year 1791; I have lived with him ever since. Q. You were servant to him, of course, when the riots happened in Manchester? A. I was. Q. Mr. Walker has a house at Manchester, and a country-house at Barlow? A. He has. Q. At the time of the riots were you at Manchester, or Barlow? A. At Barlow. Q. When did you come from Barlow? A. The morning following. Q. Do you know what fire-arms Mr. Walker had for the protection of both his houses? A. There was nothing for the protection of his house except two pistols, and two blunderbusses, and two fowling pieces that I ever saw. Q. Had he any swivels? A. Yes, half a dozen. Q. Where were the swivels at the time when the riot happened? A. At Barlow-Hall. Q. When were they removed from Barlow to Manchester? A. The day after the riots. 2 Q. You don't know how he became possessed of those swivels ? A. I do not. Q. When you came from Barlow, how long did you continue at Manchester? A. We came the 12th of December, and returned back the 5th of May. Q. Immediately after you came on the 12th of December, and for some time after, was there any watch kept at Mr. Walker's house, to prevent any mischief being done to the house-did people sit up all night? A. Yes, they did. Q. Did you times ? A. Yes. sit up for the protection of the house some Q. How long were they obliged, for the security of the house, to keep up this sort of watch? A. For the course of a month, or thereabouts. Q. Were you often among those that sat up? A. I was. Q. Of course you were in the house at all the meetings of the Reformation Society, that took place between the 12th of December and the 5th of May? A. I was. Q. Had you ever occasion to go into the room where these meetings were held? A. I had frequent occasion. Q. Were these meetings held with open doors, or were the doors locked? A. I always found the doors wide open. Q. There was no sort of secrecy about the purposes of of their meeting? A. Not to my knowledge. Q. Have you stayed any time when people were in the room, so as to hear the conversation that passed? A. I cannot say I have. Q. Did you ever at any use of, damning the King? A. Nothing of the sort. time hear any expressions made Q. Did you ever hear any expressions of any sort made use of, to incite any of the people there to break the peace? A. I have no knowledge of any thing of the sort. Q. Was there any exercise of men with guns or other arms? A. Nothing of the sort. Q. Do you think you must have known it, if any such thing had been practised in the place where these people met, or in any part of your master's house? A. I am sure such things could not be made use of, but I should have come to the knowledge of it, some how or other. Q. Did you at any time whatever see or hear any thing done or said there, that had any tendency to disturb the public peace? A. I never did. Francis Roberts. Cross-examined by Mr. Wood. Q. How many people might there be at those meetings when you saw them? A. There might be twenty or thirty, and sometimes more. Q. How many men do you think there might be, fifty or sixty, perhaps? A. I believe not so many. Q. How many do you think? A. There might be thirty-five, or so. Q. Is that the most you ever saw? A. I do not know in particular that it is. Q. Have you not seen sixty, or more, there? Q. You won't go higher than thirty-five? A. No, I will not. 2. Did you know those people that had got there? A. No. Q. I believe you was very seldom at those meetings; did you ever stay a meeting through, from beginning to end? A. No. Q. How long might you stay at a time? A. Three or four minutes, or so, while I delivered my message. Q. When you stayed up to protect this house, what had you to protect it with? A. We had a sword or two. Q. How many might stay up with you? did any of the people that attended these meetings stay with you? A. They did. Q. The Reformation Society stayed with you, did they? Q. How many may you have had at a time to stay up with you? A. Four or five. Q. Not always the same people, I suppose? A. No. Francis Roberts. Re-examined by Mr. Chambre. Q. You never particularly, I suppose, counted the number, to know exactly how many there might be? A. I never did. Mr. Edward Green (sworn). Examined by Mr. Lloyd. Q. You, I believe, were apprentice to Mr. Walker, and brought up in his warehouse? A. Yes. Q. How long have you been with him? A. It will be eight years in July. Q. Do you remember the night of the riots? A. Yes. Q. Do you remember whether there were any arms got to defend Mr. Walker's house? A. Yes, there were some got. Q. Do you know what arms they were? A. They |