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also by the contributions of the State and local governments and member universities.
We will work with you to make this SURA proposal a reality.
With best wishes,
Sincerely,

JOHN WARNER.
PAUL TRIBLE.
PAULA HAWKINS
JEREMIAH DENTON
CHARLES MCC. MATHIAS, JR.
STROM THURMOND.
PAUL SARBANES.
JESSE HELMS.
JOHN P. EAST.
LAWNTON CHILES.
SAM NUNN.
RUSSELL LONG.
MACK MATTINGLY.
FRITZ HOLLINGS.

HOWELL HEFLIN. Senator WARNER. That is quite adequate, Mr. Chairman, and I thank you for your courtesies.

Chairman HATFIELD. We are happy to have you, Senator Warner.

We will be discussing this in some detail later. I know Senator Johnston is very interested in this issue, and I, as well, am interested because this is a request of the fiscal year 1985 budget and, therefore, the reprogramming should clearly be, as Dr. Trivelpiece has indicated, a noncommitment to the program and to project construction until there is an adequate congressional authorization giving full consent and support to the project. It may appear to be a rather unimportant technicality, but I think it is a very fundamental matter to follow the legislative process and not commit ourselves to a project through a reprogramming effort, a project that has not been authorized.

Secretary HODEL. Mr. Chairman, I hear you very clearly and I certainly agree it is a management responsibility as well, within the Department to see to it that I don't find myself supporting what appears to be simply a study effort, which is, in fact, ultimately turned into a commitment for a project. We have more than a few opportunities for that kind of activity within the Department. I appreciate and support guidance from the committee on these issues as weli. Chairman HATFIELD. Thank you, Mr. Secretary.

PREPARED STATEMENT AND PREPARED QUESTIONS FOR THE RECORD Dr. Trivelpiece, we will have some additional questions for your response.

(The questions and answers follow:]

STATEMENT OF ALVIN W. TRIVELPIECE

Mr. Chairman and Members of

the Subcommittee:

It is a pleasure to appear here today to present the FY 1985 budget

request for the programs supported by the office of Energy Research (ER). They include: High Energy and Nuclear Physics, Basic Energy Sciences, Magnetic Fusion Energy, Biological and Environmental Research, Energy Research Analyses, University Research Support, University Research Instrumentation and Multiprogram General Purpose Facilities. The High Energy and Nuclear Physics programs are under the General Science and Research appropriation. All of the other programs are under the Energy Supply R&D appropriation. The FY 1985 budget request for all ER programs is shown in Table 1.

This budget request reflects the goals and strategies set out in

the Fourth National Energy Policy Plan (NEPP-IV), published in

October 1983.

As stated in NEPP-IV, the goal of our national

energy policy is to foster an adequate supply of energy at

reasonable costs.

The strategies for achieving this goal are:

(1)

to minimize Federal control and involvement in energy markets while

maintaining public health and safety and environmental quality, and

(2) to promote a balanced and mixed energy resource system,

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Basic Energy Sciences
Magnetic Fusion Energy
Biological & Environmental Research
Energy Research Analyses
University Research Support
University Research Instrumentation
Multiprogram General Purpose

Facilities
Advisory & Oversight Program Direction
Policy and Management

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al These estimates reflect $15.6 million for savings resulting from FY 1985 management

Total ER

initiatives.

NEPP-IV also stresses the need to:

1) increase our basic

understanding of nature and matter, 2) advance the frontiers of

scientific, and engineering knowledge that forms the basis for technological innovation, 3) assess the potential human health and environmental effects associated with development and use of energy

technologies, and 4) transfer new knowledge to the private sector

where it can be developed further and applied.

The programs that I

will discuss today accomplish all of these things. They do so through the research itself, through a variety of communications mechanisms such as publications, workshops and private sector access to laboratory facilities and, finally, through the training of graduate students who carry their knowledge of cutting-edge research into their careers after completion of their studies.

At this point I would like to discuss each of the programs

mentioned above in some detail.

HIGH ENERGY AND NUCLEAR PHYSICS

The High Energy and Nuclear Physics programs contribute to DOE's

implementation of NEPP-IV's goal and strategies by supporting the most basic long-term scientific research--that aimed at improving

our understanding of the fundamental constituents of matter and

energy and the basic forces in nature that control the interactions

among those constituents.

This research advances the frontiers of

our scientific and technical knowledge and provides fundamental building blocks for technological innovation. Because the research is long-term and not initially applicable to any given energy

technology, the private sector has no incentive to support research

in high energy and nuclear physics.

The Department's High Energy and Nuclear Physics programs have long

been important to the vitality and development of science and

technology in the U.S.

Through the efforts of its practitioners,

this research has made vital contributions not only to energy

resource development but to education, health, industry and

national defense.

Significant contributions to the economic growth

and prosperity of the Nation have come directly from the results of the research, from technological spinoffs, and from the training of tomorrow's scientists through the involvement of university graduate students in carrying out the research. Through technology transfer, these ideas and people have made contributions in a variety of industries including medical instrumentation, control and instrumentation of industrial processes, and the production of nuclear energy. In FY 1985, the HENP programs will continue to increase our fundamental understanding of the physical world and assure that research results are available to those who ght

then,

In this century, scientific investigation has focused on understanding the relationships among ever more fundamental constituents of matter, with the research frontier moving from atoms, to nuclei, to the constituents of nuclei (protons and neutrons) and recently to even more elemental subnuclear constituents, somewhat whimsically referred to as quarks and gluons. The Department funds approximately 90% of the High Energy and Nuclear Physics research that is carried out in the United

States. The National Science Foundation supports the rest in a

joint endeavor with the Department.

The High Energy and Nuclear Physics programs are closely related in terms of goals, the types of facilities and equipment used to reach

these goals and the impact that research in one program has on the

other.

Although the two programs have related goals, they have

quite different research emphases.

The Nuclear Physics program strives to attain a better understanding of the structure and properties of the atomic nuclei that comprise the cores of the atoms and the forces that govern their behavior. It also seeks to determine how the quark substructure of protons and neutrons influences the make-up and characteristics of nuclei_(i.e., how do quarks act when they are imbedded in nuclei?). High Energy Physics research seeks to understand the nature and relationships among the fundamental

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