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catch the eye of Mr. O'Brien, and beckoned to him; a few minu es might elapfe, when Mr. O'Brien came to the same fide where I ftood.

2. Did Mr. Thompfon ftill continue ftanding by you? A. Yes, he did.

2. How long was this before the verdict was given ? A. Whilt the Jury were out confidering their verdict. 2. When Mr. O'Brien came to the place where you and Mr. Thompfon were standing, what took place?

4. Mr. O'Brien and Mr. Thompson fpoke to each other; but what they faid I cannot tell. Mr. O'Brien then addreffed me, and faid, "Have you got a warrant against Mr. O'Connor?" I faid, "No." Then he said, " Then Fugion has."

2. Do you mean that he made ufe of Fagion's name?

A. Yes; Fugion was prefent, and he answered immediately that he had not. He faid, "Fugion, have you got the warrant?" He addressed himself to Fugion; Fugion faid, “ No.' Then Mr. O'Brien faid, " Then the meffenger has.”

2. Had Wagstaffe his badge as King's meffenger on at that time?

A. I do not recollect.

2. Do you mean to fay that he addreffed himself to the mef fenger?

4. No; he faid, "Then the meffenger has." I then replied, "I can answer only for myself.". Mr. O'Brien then faid, "I will bet you three guineas," I think it was, to the best of my recollection, "that you have." Fugion faid, "Done," I believe, or words to that effect. Mr. O'Brien then left the fide of the Court that I was on, and returned to the left-hand fide where Mr. O'Connor was, and whifpered fomething to Mr. O'Connor; but what, I cannot tell.

2. What obfervation did you make at that time, with refpect to any other perfons in the Court, as to any change of pofition?

A. It remained quiet till the Jury were coming in: a number of gentlemen feated themselves directly before me in the place where I food.

2. That was upon the bench made for the prisoners' attorneys ?

A. Yes.

2. Many gentlemen feated themselves there?

4. Yes.

Q. Did

2. Did you know any of thofe perfons?

A. Not that were fitting down before me; fome time had elapfed, when there was fome noife when the Jury were coming into Court, "Make way for the Jury," or fomething to that ef fect. I then endeavoured to get as nigh Mr. Watson, the jailor, as I poffibly could. I went to step my foot up to get nigh the bar, and I was pulled down again by my leg; I turned round, and the person who pulled me down, I fuppofed, was Mr. Thompson.

2. Do you mean to fay, you know it was Mr. Thompson ; or, from the fituation he was in, that you apprehended it was Mr. Thompson ?

A. Exactly so.

2. You do not aver the fact pofitively?

A. No: but when I turned round, he was close to me.

2. And therefore you conclude he was the perfon that pulled you?

A. Yes the Jury then came in, and I endeavoured to get up again as near the bar as I poffibly could.

2. When you use the expreffion, that you endeavoured to get up as near the bar as you could, was there any thing that prevented you from getting there?

A. Only the gentlemen fitting there.

2. With what view was that?

A. With a view to affift in fecuring Mr. O'Connor, if he should attempt to make his escape.

Q. Upon your endeavouring to get as near the bar as you could, what happened?

A. The Jury were in, and the Court called "Silence." The Fury had given their verdict-Mr. O'Connor and the others, Not Guilty; and Mr. O'Coigly, Guilty; and then I got up nigh the bar. I obferved fomething in Mr. O'Connor that struck me as if he meant to make his escape; at that moment there was Some noife in the Court, and Mr. Ferguson fays, "What business has that fellow there, making fuch a noife?"

Lord Kenyon-Who was that addressed to?

A. It was addressed to the Court, I believe. Upon that I got up upon one of the benches, and addressed the Judge, and told him my reafons for being there. I told his Lordship I had a warrant from the Duke of Portland to arreft Mr. O'Connor; the Judge replied, " I should have him," or words to that ef fect; and defired the jailor to take care of all the prisoners for the prefent.

Q. Which of the Judges was that?

A. Judge Buller; then the fentence was paffed upon Mr. O'Coigly. As foon as the Judge had fo done, Mr. O'Connor immediately jumped out of the bar: there was then a very great confufion in Court; thofe gentlemen, who had fo placed them

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felves

A. Yes.

Q. That was, as we have been deftribing, towards the marrow street?

A. Yes; I then endeavoured to get forward, but was prevented by thofe gentlemen who had fo placed themselves quite before me and Fugion and the messenger.

Q. Now defcribe particularly what paffed which prevented you, with your affiftants, from following Mr. O'Connor?

A. I was pulled down, or hoved down, twice or three times; but by whom, I am not able to say. I THEN JUMPED FORWARD AS WELL AS I WAS ABLE, AND WAS ENDEAVOUR. ING TO PURSUe Mr. O'Connor; MR. FERGUSSON JUMPED UPON THE TABLE, AND WITH A STICK FLOURISHED IT IN THIS WAY, TO PREVENT MY GETTING FORWARD.

Q. Flourished it over your head?

A. He flourished it with an intent, as I prefume, to stop me. Q. Was Mr. Ferguson in his profeffional drefs?

A. Yes, he was; I THEN SPRUNG AT HIM, AND WRENCH

ED THE STICK OUT OF HIS HAND, AND HE RETURNED BACK TO HIS FORMER SITUATION.

Q. He went from off the table, and returned to his place at the table?

A. Yes; otherwife I should have ftruck him with the stick which I had wrenched from him, if he had not that moment got away.

Q. Defcribe what more took place?

A. AS SOON AS I RECOVERED MYSELF, I WAS THEN

KNOCKED DOWN BY SOME PERSON WHO DROVE AGAINST ME

-NOT WITH A STICK; AND AS SOON AS I HAD RECOVERED MYSELF, I SAW THE PERSON WHO HAD SO SHOVED ME DOWN; I IMMEDIATELY STRUCK HIM WITH MY STICK; I REPEATED MY BLOWS THREE OR FOUR TIMES; THAT PERSON CALLED

OUT, "DON'T STRIKE ME ANY MORE." I REPLIED, "I WILL; HOW DARE YOU STRIKE ME." That perfon I so struck was, as I understood while I was in Court, the Earl of Thanet.

Q. Are you quite certain that the perfon you ftruck and repeated your blows with a stick, was the person who showed you

down?

A. Yes.

Q. And that person, whilft you continued in Court, you understood was my Lord Thanet &

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A. I cannot positively jay.

Q. Have you reafon to believe that that gentleman is the person? A. I have fome reason to believe fo, FROM HIS SIZE.

Q. Did you afterwards, in the course of your continuance in Court, fee Lord Thanet in any other part of the Court? A. He was pointed out to me immediately after.

Q. Upon the Spot?

A. Upon the spot.

Q. I don't know whether you recollect how he was dressed? A. No, I do not.

Q. Who was the perfon that told you that the name or title of the perfon with whom you had the conteft was Lord Thanet? A. Mr. O'Connor, after being fecured and brought back again into the bar.

Q. Mr. O'Connor gave the title of Lord Thanet to the perfon with whom you had had the conteft?

A. Yes.

Lord Kenyon-Was it a converfation addressed by Mr. O'. Connor to you?

A. It was..

Mr. Garrow-After you had given thefe blows to the perfon fuppofed to be Lord Thanet, what paffed?

A. I obferved Mr. O'Connor was in cuftody-he had been fecured by the door-way; I then affifted in getting him back to the bar.

2. You defcribed juft now, that when you was attempting to push on to prevent Mr. O'Connor escaping, you was interrupted by the perfons who had placed themselves before you?

A. Yes.

2. Do you mean that it was merely by the accident of their being there, or that they gave you any obstruction?

A. While the Jury were out, they came, and a great number more than had been there at the time of the trial, and placed themselves just before where I ftood,

2. Are you acquainted with Mr. Gunter Browne ?

A. No, I am not.

2. Do you remember any body remarkable in his appearance or perfon obstructing Fugion or Wagitaffe?

A. No, I did not obferve it, I was fo engaged myself.

Cross

A. Yes.

2. I take it for granted, that the apprehenfion that he wanted to make his escape, induced you to go forward? A. Yes; I got as near the bar as I could.

2. It made you more defirous with the other officers to push forward quickly?

A. Surely fo.

2. If you had had no reason to fuppofe Mr. O'Connor was endeavouring to escape, and that others had a difpofition to assist him, I take it for granted you would have gone on more leifurely?

A. No doubt.

2. But the apprehenfion that you had, that you might be dif appointed in the execution of your warrant, made you go on with confiderable rapidity?

A. I went fwifter than I fhould have done if I had not been molested, no doubt.

2. The line that you was going in at that time, was a place not very unlike where I am standing now, immediately before the prifoners?

A. Yes.

2. That is to fay, a place like that I am now standing in, divided by fomething like this from the place where the Counfel fat?

A. Juft fo.

Q. You fay that you jumped forward as well as you was able, and was endeavouring to purfue Mr. O'Connor, when Mr. Ferguffon jumped upon the table, and with a stick flourished in this way, to stop you?

A. Yes.

Q. That was the first obftruction you met with?

A. No; I was pulled by the leg.

Q. But, except that pulling by the leg, after you pursued your progress through the Solicitors' box, the first interruption you met with, was by Mr. Ferguson jumping upon the table? A. No; I had been pushed down before that.

Q. Had you ftruck any body before that?

A. No.

Q. Had you hoved or pushed any body?

A. I canyot tell that; in the confufion I might.

Q. You had not feen Lord Thanet till after this had passed with Mr. Ferguson?

A. To my knowledge, I had not.

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