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Rice, a return was ordered of the Mr. Curwen in a few words secommon council of Dublin, distin- conded the motion. guishing such as belonged to the Mr. Alderman C. Smith asserted, guild of merchants : also, copies of from his own experience, that many proclamations by the Lord Mayor prisoners at the Old Bailey would of Dublin, regarding dressing the rather submit to twelve months' statue of King William, and of the imprisonment, than suffer a whipresolutions of the common council ping. relating to the same. It was also The Attorney-general was aware ordered that the towu clerk of that any person opposing the moDublin attend the house on Friday tion, must subject himself to the se'nnight.
charge of inhumanity: nevertheMr. H. G. Bennet, in pursuance less, he felt called upon to say, of previous notice, rose to move that, as far as his inquiries had for leave to bring in a bill to abo- gone, he had been led to think that Jish punishment by whipping. He whipping was a very salutary pucontended, that this species of in- nishment. Niction was neither exemplary nor Mr. Lennard observed, that the reformatory: it was one of the last principle bad been admitted in the relics of barbarism, and it was high abolition of the practice of whipping time that it was got rid of. If there females, and he saw every reason existed no secondary punishments for carrying it farther. It was a for minor offences, there might be punishment that might have differsome reason for retaining it; butent effects upon different minds; the secondary punishment of hard and it might be slight or severe, labour was more effectual in every according to the pleasure of the way; it neither brutalized nor dis- executioner. graced the criminal, but gave him Mr. Dawson saw no sufficient habits of industry, or at least show- ground for the motion, and, if ne. ed bim what industry was, and its cessary, he would take the sense of advantages. The hon. gent, chal- the house upon it. Without whiplenged any man to produce an in- ping, magistrates would not be stance in which the punishment of able to compel subordination and wbipping had done any thing but discipline in prisons. mischief: he had made many in- Mr. Hobhouse called upon the quiries, and nearly all persons ad- hon. gent. who spoke last, or upon mitted it to be a positive evil. By any other member, to show any returns upon the table, it appeared statute by which magistrates were that no less than 6,959 persons authorized to flog, for the purpose had been flogged for various of- of keeping up the discipline of prifences within the last seven years. sons. Whipping was the sentence The hon. gentleman concluded by of a court, and, he believed, could stating some objections to the 20th not be inflicted without it. Most Geo. II., which enabled a single of all he disapproved of private magistrate to commit a refractory flogging, since all the beneficial servant to be flogged; he had effect of example was lost to the known many instances where the public. It was then nothing else guilty had escaped, because ma- but torture, which was totally registrates were reluctant to subject pugnant to the spirit of the English them to such a degradation. law. Whipping, whether public
or private, destroyed that self-re- the hon. member for Westminster. spect which rendered men useful He thought it impossible that the members of society. In the navy story could be well founded. He he was convinced that it did great had himself commanded the Me. injury, and he had known an in- lampus, during the late war, for stance of the captain of a ship who fourteen months, and during the was obliged to sleep with armed whole of that period punished ovly sentries at his cabin-door, because, one man. as he himself said, all his men Mr. Hobhouse said, that he had were so hardened by frequent Aog- not been on board the ship in ging, that they were prepared for which the fact was stated to have the commission of any crime. occurred.
Mr. N. Calrert saw no reason · Mr. Peel, Dr. Lushington, and why, if flogging were abolished in other members, afterwards spoke, prisons, it should not be abolished when the house divided-For the in schools. If it were true that it motion 37, against it 70. destroyed all self-respect, he was Mr. Bankcs postponed his motion surrounded by hon. gentlemen who for the estimates of the British could not have a particle of it re- Museum, which he had intended maining, from the many castiga- to move in the committee of supe tions they had suffered in their ply: youth.
Mr. Hume moved for an account Mr. S. Bourne agreed that the of the promotions which had taken punishment of whipping, in order place within the.year in the navy. to be salutary, ought to be public ; -Ordered. but objected decidedly to the total The bringing up the report of discontinuance of it. He thought the beer bill—the committees of that in the case of a hardened of- supply and of ways and means) fender, it was often attended with were postponed till Monday. most advantageous effects.
The report of the Irish estimates Mr. J. Smith supported the mo- was brought up, and various resotion upon principle. He thought lutions respectively agreed to. that the flogging at public schools. On the motion of Dr. Lushinghad nothing to do with the ques- ton, the house went into a comtion." Still, the practice at schools mittee on the slave-trade acts? was 'a good deal changed of late; consolidation bill, and the report there was not so much flogging in was ordered to be received on Frithose establishments as there had day next. formerly been.
. The house then resolved itself Mr. Holme Sumner opposed the into a committee on the miscellabill, and hoped it would not be neous estimates, when the several brought in. At all. events, he resolutions were agreed to, and trusted that there would be a clause the report ordered to be received continuing the punishment as it re- to-morrow. garded juvevile offenders.
Mr. Herries brought up the Sir Isaac Coffin declared that in Irish excise duties' regulation bill, the whole course of his naval ex- which was read a first and second perience he had never heard of time, and ordered to be committed such a case as that described by to-morrow.
The order of the day was then powers, it is now incumbent upon read for the adjournment of the de- us to say, that we have to profit by bate on the subject of foreign affairs. the lesson of experience which
The Speaker having read the these gentlemen have taught us, in original resolution and the amend return for our former alleged fament,
cility of concession, and to decline Mr. C. W. Wynn rose, and at assenting to the proposal for withconsiderable length supported the drawing the original motion. I amendment.
am ready to admit with the hon. Mr. Leycester thought ministers gentlemen opposite, that their mowell-intentioned, but that “ they tion is now unintelligible, and I am had been too civil by half.” satisfied with the amendment of
Mr. W. Williams supported the which they partially complain. I motion. Mr. Peel defended minis- repeat, however, that I cannot ters. Colonel Davies supported concur in the suggestion of withthe motion. Mr. Twiss opposed it. drawing the original motion."
Sir F. Bluke deprecated neu- The gallery was then cleared for trality, as did Lord Folkestone. a division, amid a great noise, and Mr. E. J. Littleton thought the cries of “ Divide, divide.” majority of the country in favour The opposition, who had deof peace.
termined not to divide, in order Mr. Canning next spoke at very that there might go forth to the great length; he defended every world an unanimous expression of point of the negotiation, and con- abhorrence of the conduct of cluded by observing that both the France, rose in a body to leave the interests and the honour of the house. Some ministerial members country were preserved by the below the bar, however, called for course of neutrality.
a division, in consequence of which Mr. Brougham deprecated the the doors were closed, and the opconduct of ministers, but advised position were compelled to remain his friend (Mr. Macdonald) to in the house. This event was withdraw his motion, and that the hailed by the ministerial members house should not divide upon it, as with loud and repeated cheers. he feared, in the present instance, The Speaker then put the question the division would leave a false on the original motion, which was impression upon the public mind carried in the negative.
He next of the opinions of the house. put the question on the amendment
The Lord Mayor (Mr. Heygate) —the ministerial members' cried supported the amendnient. “ Ay;" the opposition remained
Mr. Macdonald asked leave to silent. The Speaker declared that withdraw bis motion, which was the question was carried in the refused.
affirmative. Some members on Mr. Canning then rose and said, the Treasury-bench, anxious that a “ After having suffered for three division should take place, called out long nights, the constant, unre- that the “ Noes” had the majority; mitting, unsparing, lectures of gen- The Speaker was then compelled to tlemen opposite, for a too ready divide : he ordered those who iu. concession to the views of foreign tended to vote for the amendment
to go into the lobby, and those who the united numbers. This caused meant to vote against it to remain an appearance of a division, when in the house. The opposition pro- in fact there was none. ceeded into the lobby, together with The numbers were announced to the ministerial voters; but a few be as follows:- For the amendmembers on both sides were shut ment 372—against it 20. in the house in consequence of the Upon the motion of Mr. Peel, lobby being too small to contain the house adjourned to Friday.
The Warehousing Bill.-Sheriff of Dublin.-Occasional Freeholders Bill.
-Game Laws: Irish Militia Reduction Bill.-Spitalfields Trade. Scotch Linen Acts.- Foreign Negotiations.—Continuance of the Irish Insurrection Bill.— Marriage Act.— Customs Duties Act. —West Indian Slavery. - Registry of Beer Licences Bill.-- Criminal Laws. Repeal of a standing Order.—Duties on East and West India Sugars.
-East India Company Mutiny and Desertion Bill. Commutation of Tithes Bill. Reciprocity of Duties Bill.— Irish Joint Tenantcy Bill.
-Sundry Prirate Bills, Petitions, &c. House of Lords, May 1.— inortgagor was enabled to take
Earl Stanhope presented a pe- from him his estates, and to pass a tition from c. A. Thomson, of law for the equitable adjustment of Chiswick, which stated that the all contracts. petitioner had, in 1811 and 1812, His lordship, in moving that the purchased two estates at Northaw petition do lie on the table, exand Pontry las, for which he had pressed his approbation of the prinpaid, in part, upwards of 80,0001., ciple of an adjustment of contracts, and granted a mortgage for 60,0001. and intimated his intention of for the remainder of the purchase- making a motion on the subject at money. Being uuable to pay off an early period. The petition was the mortgage in 1821, he offered read at length, and ordered to lie the estates for sale, but was unable on the table. to get for them (in consequence of The weights and measures bill the altered value of the currency) was read a second time. The proso much as would pay off the fane swearing bill was read a third mortgage of 60,0001., and the time, and passed. The other bills mortgagor was in consequence now on the table were forwarded one applying to be put in possession of stage.- Adjourned. the two estates. T'he petitioner, House of Lords, May 2. therefore, prayed their lordships The royal assent was given by would be pleased to suspend the coinmission to the grants of aids, operation of the law by which the the military and naval pensions,
the innkeepers' allowances, the re- bill was then read the third time, venue consolidation, and several and passed.- Adjourned. private bills. The lords commis- House of Commons, May 2. sioners were the Lord Chancellor, The Speaker, on his return from the Earl of Shaftesbury, and Lord the House of Lords, whither he Redesdale.
was summoned to hear the comThe Duke of Northumberland mission read, notified the bills that presented a petition from New- had received the royal assent. castle-upon-Tyne, praying the re- On the motion of Mr. Jones, peal of the duties on coal carried the second reading of the Welsh coastways.
judicature bill was ordered to be The Earl of Shaftesbury pre- postponed till Monday. sented a petition from Blackburn, Petitions were presented for the complaining of agricultural distress. Southwark court of requests bill,
A person from the East India (which bill was read a second time) Company presented an account of -against the repeal of the Irish salaries and pensions granted by union cotton duties—for a duty upon the company.
foreign tallow against the coal The several bills on the table duties— upon the subject of agriwere forwarded one stage. On cultural distress-from the corothe third reading of the warehous- ners of the county of York, praying bill,
ing for an increase of their salary The Earl of Harewoud rose, and (ten guineas per annum). said, that though it was not his in- The house then went into a comtention to oppose the present bill, mittee upon the motion of Sir F. yet at a time when, on the liberal Burdett, for the investigation of principles of trade, they were re- the conduct of the sheriff of Dublin. laxing every restriction on foreign- Sir R. Heron took the chair, and ers, it might be expected that every several witnesses were examined. facility would be given to our own The cbairman afterwards brought manufacturers. He now announced up the minutes of the proceeding, to the house, that it was the inten- wbich were ordered to be printed. tion of the woollen-manufacturers Mr. Goulburn was quite anxious in a short time to request their to introduce the question of the lordships' attention to the situation Irish insurrection act as in which they were placed by the possible; but he was entirely at duties on foreign wool. It was ri- the mercy of hon. gentlemen on diculous to suppose that our own the other side, who had notices of growth of wool was encouraged by motions fixed for every day for a that measure, whilst our manufac- considerable time to
If turers were seriously injured by its they would give way, he should be operation; and the consideration happy to fix an early day. became still more important from Mr. Hume said, a motion of his the present state of Spain. Within stood for the 6th, which he should these few hours, information had be very willing to give up, on conarrived from that country of a new dition that his Majesty's ministers duty of 5d. per pound having been would agree to the appointment of laid on all wool exported. — The the committee for which he should