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the same way the great King of Prussia how William Beauchamp Hill, a man did; who, when a soldier in a fresh who had been convicted of taking bribes, breeze bad his hat blown off, had the was defended; and yet, after this consoldier severely punished for this acci- duct of their's, they must now, from a dent: and it certainly was observable desire of inculcating pure and rigid moafterwards, that whether the man was rality, ruin a number of innocent young innocent or not, fewer hats fell off after- men, who had committed no crime, wards. He, however, was not for at... and whose parents or friends might have guing in this manner in order to justify given the money for their appointment, the punishing the innocent, which he The Attorney General thought this took to be impossible. Every means question ought to be left altogether to should be tried to get at the end desired, the court of directors, and that the before they should adopt so harsh and house should not interfere with their unjust a mode as was suggested by the functions. leport of the committee,

Mr. P. Moore deprecated the recal Mr. Wallace defended the report of ling of the young men in India, who the committee, and thought the plan are fighting their country's battles in that proposed the most effectual remedy to country. check the growth of the evil.

Mr. Lushington voted for the previous Mr. Stephen was of opinion that the question. committee went farther than they need Sir T. Turton said, all questions rehave gone, in recommending the propo- specting India of this kind, are by mi sition they had done; the young men uisters enveloped in the previous ques who would be sufferers in consequence tion. of such a proposition being carried into The house then divided--For the preeffect, had not been guilty of the offence vious question, 77–Against it, 35.7 they wished to punish.

The resolution was of course lost. Mr. Grant was convinced that the Mr. Wurdle rose to make his promised practice which the court of directors motion on the subject of PUBLIC ECONO wished to suppress, had a tendency to He said, he hoped he should be overturn the whole efficiency of the East indulged in the observations which he India establishment. If situations were was about to make, as he had been sp allowed to be obtained by corrupt means, particularly called forward. It had been all the confidence existing between the represented that he had talked widely of company and the servants in India would the burthens of the country, and the be overthrown. Therefore the only re- grievances from which it might be reliemedy wbich could be adopted was to ved. He thought it but justice to himstrike at the root of the evil at once, by self now to state that which he had be removing all persons who got into places fore stated on the subject; he had said, under the company by corrupt means. that if the house of Commons was re

-Mr. Perceval asked, if the house adop- formed, and placed upon the original ted the resolution as it then stood, whe- footing upon which the constitution in. ther it could leave the question in an tended it should stand, the amount of pnprejudiced state? Were it fit all at the income tax might be saved to the once to declare, that the directors, had country. If gentlemen' in that house acted contrary to justice and humanity! thought proper to reprehend him for If the resolution passed, it would then such language, he need only refer them be necessary to legislate for the direc- to the terms in which a great statesman, tors, to inake bye-laws for them, and whom they were in the habit of looking to take all their power qut of their up to with, reverencē, had expressed hands.

himself on this subject in 1802. In that Sir S. Romilly considered this as a year Mr. Pitt, speaking on a reform in case of great injustice, and he was ra- parliament, said, “ that if the house of ther surprised to hear such austere sen- Commons had been alwuys steady to the tiinents of justice fall froin gentlemen interests of their constituents, then no on the other side of the house, which such burthens as now exįsted would be were so inconsistent with the doctrines suffered by the country." Now the lanthat had been promulgated by them du- guage which he (Mr. Wardle) had used, ping the present session. Gentlemen was by no means equally strong with would recollect how the secretary of this. It had been made a matter of ut que defended his corrupt conduct, and public accusation against him, that he

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had attacked public men; he took this ticular reflection ; but he tħought a sus occasion of solemnly declaring that he picion ought always to light on mercehad never done so. He inight have ac- nary troops. To justify this opinion, he cused ministers, or men in place, but as need only refer to the expeditions to individuals he certainly never did, or at Quiberon, to Malta, to Hanover, where least, if he did, he was sorry for it, as many of our native troops were wholly it was contrary to his intention. If it employed in keeping the foreign troops was meant, however, by attacking men, from desertion. At all events, they that he attacked corruption, he was were a most doubtful species of force, proud to plead guilty to the accusation, and it was asto

astonishing to think that and to declare openly, that while he some of their officers even had been held a seat in the house, he would with placed in rank above British officers by all his powers attack corruption both in having their commissions antedated! and out of that house. În 1802, Mr. The next corps to which he should alPitt also declared, that the defective lude was the royal stuff corps, which state of the representation was the dis- cost annually 20,0001. and was a perease under which the nation laboured, fectly novel description of force, for it and that WITHOUT A REFORM NO GOOD belonged to the Engineers; and if any MINISTER COULD BE OF USE, AND NO

such force had been wanted, it would

have been easy to increase the EngiOFFICE.-If this wa the opinion of that neers, instead of instituting this new statesinan, why should the same senti- denomination of troops. The militia also ments be reprehended in others now cost annually three millions, of which, Without dwelling further on those opi- by allowing half the men to spend a nions, he would now come to the prin- month employed at the harvest,300,0001. eipal object of his speech, the saving might be saved. The expence attending which might be made to the public. In the local militia amounted to 1,218,0001. 1808, the public expenditure amounted out of which 800,000). was allowed for to 71 millions of money. In 1809, it the staff! This he must call an expenincreased to 79 millions. A great sa- diture both unnecessary and profligate, ving, instead of this great increase, might and one which would be spurned at by have been made. The first article to a reformed house of Commons. The which he should refer was, that of the clothing of this corps was most extravahousehold troops.' There were two regi- gant, it amounted to no less than 31. Tients of horse guards, upwards of 800 per man; whereas half-a-guinea per men each, and one regiment of blues, man would have been fully sufficient to of 600. Now it was well known, that procure them a jacket and trowsers, these troops were never sent on service; which was all that was necessary for the and if 500 of them were kept for parade, purposes of uniform. By this, 700,0001. it would be fully sufficient. The amount annually might be saved. The expence of cavalry also which was kept up on, of the volunteer force was also estimated dur establishment exceeded; all bounds. at 1,000,000l. per annum. This was At present we had of dragoons 23,399 also useless; for the spirit of the counmen. He was convinced that 15,000, try, and the attendant advantages on would be fully sufficient for any service the service, such as exemption from we might require, exclusive of those in ballot, &c. ought to be sufficient to inthe East Indies. By this dimunition he duce men to enter into it. This was would propose to save 1,276,000l. an- the case in Ireland in 1782. For such nually. He would next refer to Foreign a species of force military clothing was corps. These amounted to 22,978, not necessary.-What had attire to do

expence of which amounted to with men who could be employed but 1,800,000l. annually. This he thought six weeks in the year? by far too great a force of this descrip- He next adverted to the Royal Waga tion of troops. He was not singular in gon Train, in support of which 48,9951. this opinion; he was borne out by no was annuully expended-it was quite less an authority than that of Lord Chat- useless, for it could only be employed ham, who, in 1757 when the bugbear at home, where its service was not reof invasion was stalking through the land, quisite. He also objected to the instituthought it most politic to dismiss these tion of the Manx fencibles, wbich cost foreign troops altogether. He did not 24,000l. per annum; Volunteers also mean to cast on them, as men, any par- were io use in the Isle of man. But,

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above all, the expence attending on the might be just as well supplied, and Staff of the army, It amounted to no 300,000l. per annum saved to the counless than 449,6491. per annum!!-Now try. if he had an opportunity of going at The next point to which he should call length into the subject, he would under- the attention of the house was the extake to prove that 200,0001. might be penditure for army cloathing.–In this saved. Of the expenditure of the Re- branch he was convinced that a saving cruiting Staff, which amounted to of 98. per man might be effected. He 349,000l. annually, 10,0001. might be understood that Mr. Courtney would saved. The cost to the country in army supply the clothing at 5s. 6d. per man agency was 61,075l. Now if a general under the charge made by Pear'ce and agency office was established, he thought others, by private contract; and if the 2,4001. in the war-office might be saved, saving upon the other appointments and perhaps a similar sum in the pay- 'should be calculated according to the office. The horse artillery cost 113,0001. same rates, the whole saving upon a miIn this service contract horses were now litary establishment of 300,000_men used, where artillery horses had been would not be less than 135,000l. But it used before. In fortifications at home, appeared by the papers on the table, 700,0001. had been laid out; at this he that the contractors had an allowance of could not help professing his astonish- 10 per cent. upon the amount of their ment: 27 martello towers were built, contract, because they were paid only on each of which it was intended to at the end of six months. By prompt mount a long gun and an howitzer: but payment a saving of 35,0001. would be when they were built, it was discovered effected. Another saving might have that only the gun could be mounted; been made, if the clothing necessary for the consequence was, that it could not our colonial corps, and which had been be pointed within 250 yards from the sent out for the use of the Spanish levies, foot of the tower, nor point at all with had been provided according to Mr. any effect at low water :-four of these Courtney's plan. This saving would not towers were placed on quicksands, and have fallen short of 100,0001, and it was even the situations in which they were his intention, in an early part of the next all placed were so incommodious, that session, to bring this subject before the it was impossible that ever the enemy house, when he should pledge himself to could be annoyed by them unless we prove, that under the head of army could place English pilots in their ships. clothing alone a sum of 270,0001. may This was one instance of the scandalous be saved to the public. In this opinion waste of public money; and the royal , he was fully borne out by the authority military canal was another. This canal of Gen. Stewart and Sir R. Wilson. He was calculated to answer any purpose felt it necessary in this place to observe, rather than that for which it was inten- that the military expenditure in 1806, ded. The enormous line of fortifications amounted to 17,344,4201. in 1807, to at Dooer was another instance; they 15,275,8591. in 1808, to 15,596,539. were intended to prevent invasion, and and that in the year 1809, it rose again yet required a garrison of 25,000 men, up to 17,490,0001. Here he was bound as if Bonaparte could land this coun- in justice to those gentlemen, who certry in the face of 10,000. Out of this tainly were not much in the habit of 700,000l. he calculated that 500,000l. sparing Kim, to observe, that during the might be saved. . In Surrey, a military two years in which the late administraroad was made at a great expence, tion had provided for the public expenwhich was now ploughing up: and there diture, the expenditure for the army had was one making in Scotland; he suppo- been two millions less than it was in the sed when that was converted into agri- present year. cultural purposes, one would be esta- The next point he had to notice, reblished in Wales! In the commissariat lated to the collection of the revenues; department also great waste took place; and the first circumstance he had to nothe barracks in Great Britain and Ire- tice was, the expence of the post office land cost 764,942l.; and in Ireland ma- department. The expence of the post ny of those barracks were unoccupied, office in the time of Mr. Palmer amountalthough others

were still building. ed to 200,0001. at present it amounted Next session he meant to take an op- to 400,000). and for this increase he portunity of shewing, that the soldiery could discover no other reason than that the management was bad. As to the Why, he would ask, should any such collection of the revenue of customs, he rise have taken place? When the debt, found that the number of officers had and consequently the revenue, was in been increased, and for the sole purpose creasing, the expence of collection ought of increasing the patronage of the go- to have been diminished. The differerice vernment. Before the construction of between the expence in 1807 and 1809, the India and London docks, it was amounted to a sum of 205,2521. In Iremore difficult to collect the duties, be- land, too, the collection of the taxes was cause the articles upon which they até carried on at a rate of charge, which retach were dispersed; but when they quired the interference of that house. were collected within these docks, one The amount of the duties levied in Iréwould have thought that the duties might land was 5,551,6501. whilst the charge have been easily collected. The fact of collection was 528,6331. being at the was, that to the seven surveyors be- rate of 9). 10s. per cent. If this charge fore employed, three others had been were to be reduced to the amount of the added. 'On the bare article of stamps charge now paid by Great Britain, it a charge of 130,000l. was incurred would afford a saving of 284,5191. But for their distribution. The expence of the charge for collection of the revenue collecting this duty was very high; in Ireland, had been increased from that of collecting the malt duties was 16 91. 10s. to 111. 12s. 6d. in the present per cent. and the expence of collecting year! As to the expenditure of the the duties on candles was 12 per cent. post office in Ireland, it would scarcely but upon which a considerable saving be credited that it amounted to nearly 50 might be made. When upon this part per cent.! The post office revenue in of the subject, he was naturally led to Scotland yielded 60,0001. more than the notice the amount of the balances 'sup- Irish, and was collected at an expence posed to remain in the hands of the re- of 12 per cent. whilst the collection of ceivers-general of taxes, on account of that in Ireland amounted to a charge of the land and assessed taxes. These 40 per cent! taxes amounted to 6,900,000l. and the There was another point to which he balances in the hands of the receivers- wished particularly to call the attention general, on the 5th of January, 1807, of that house, namely the expence of the appeared to have amounted to 586,9701. commissioners for auditing the public acand those in the hands of the collectors counts. In the year 1807, they cost to $46,548l. making altogether 938,518l. 68,9101. in 1808, 77,2771. and in 1809, Now he could not conceive any reason 80,5601. being in the whole 267,3471. why so much money should be allowed He did not mean to object to the expento remain in the hands of either of diture of the public money for expediting these officers. The rate of expenditure the audit and passing of public accounts; upon the collection of every branch of but from every thing he had been able the public revenue had risen considera- to learn, he thought that the whole bly of late. The whole charge of the money had been thrown away. No promariagement and collection of the pub- gress appeared to have been made in lic revenue, amounting in the present getting through the public accounts, nor year to 2,816,5161. being at the rate of did it appear that any effectual progress 41. 12. 9d. per cent. If this charge were was to be expected for years to come!! to be reduced, as he was convinced it It was the duty of that house to attend might, to 8l. per cent. leaving all idea to the auditing and passing of public acă of patronage out of the question, he had counts, without taxing the

people to des no doubt that a saving of above one mil- fray the expence of such a commissionia lion annually might be made upon the By such a course there would be a sa: bare collection of the public revenue. ving of at least 75,000l: When he lookIt was impossible not to be convinced of ed to the amount of balances in the bank, this, if they looked at the comparative which generally exceeded ten millions expence

of collection within the last few and a half, the interest of which could years. In the year 1807, the public ren not be less than between 5 and 600,0001. venue had been collected at the rate of he was of opinion that the interest might 41. 55. per cent. in 1808, at 41. 10s. 5d. fairly be taken at 500,000!. which with per cent. and in 1809, at 41. 12s. 9d. per other advantages enjoyed by the bank, cent. being an increase of 78. 9d. upon made the bank debtor to the public in a the expence of collection two years ago. sum of 710,000l. But from this suin

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